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Post by leslie on Nov 13, 2021 21:49:19 GMT
Hello, I'm Leslie. I'm a long time ATP and have been flying the Zibo 737 and the C340. Recently purchased the c47 but ran into a problem where I can't get the engines started.
Master switch on, mags on both, idle cut-off, pumps on.
Hit starter and it engages for just a couple of seconds and stops. Even when I hold it it stops.
Why won't the starter stay engaged?
Leslie
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Post by VSL-Admin on Nov 13, 2021 21:55:08 GMT
Hello Leslie, Nice to meet you and welcome to VSKYLABS  ok..as I can see in your message, you haven't set the fuel tank selectors for the engines. Each engine has its own selector, located on (both) sides of the pedestal panel. More information and instructions are available in the included manual. Let know if you need further assistance. |
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Post by leslie on Nov 13, 2021 22:05:06 GMT
Nope, did that no help. Starter should stay engaged as long as I have the switch held in the start position.
And to add to that: It's impossible to hold the switch in start and then advance the mixture control. You can do one or the other but not both.
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Post by leslie on Nov 13, 2021 23:18:58 GMT
Ok, I found a way to hold the starter and a look outside verifies the engine is turning but there are no sounds and the engine doesn't start when the mixture is advanced.
Is anybody starting on their own or is everybody set up as already started.?
Again: Master on, Mags both on both, tank selector set, pumps on, hit starter and hold, advance mixture. Get sound for two seconds, props turning but no sound, no start.
Is this a bug?
L
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Post by VSL-Admin on Nov 14, 2021 6:45:36 GMT
Ok, I found a way to hold the starter and a look outside verifies the engine is turning but there are no sounds and the engine doesn't start when the mixture is advanced. Is anybody starting on their own or is everybody set up as already started.? Again: Master on, Mags both on both, tank selector set, pumps on, hit starter and hold, advance mixture. Get sound for two seconds, props turning but no sound, no start. Is this a bug? L Hello Leslie, It is not a bug. The starter switches are set to ON as long as you are holding it in position. Please verify that the pumps are not set to ON while the mixtures are not in the cutoff position prior to starting the engine, as it will flood the engine. Try this again and let me know your status. |
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Post by leslie on Nov 14, 2021 19:33:16 GMT
I got it to start by using the keyboard shortcut for the starter and then advancing the mixture to auto rich. However when I hit start either way there are starter sounds for two to three seconds and then no sounds of the starter even though the engine is turning and the starter is engaged. As long as the starter is turning there should be starter sounds until the engine starts or the starter switch is released. That's the bug I meant. BTW, I'm on windows 11. I can send a video if you would like.
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Post by leslie on Nov 14, 2021 23:42:02 GMT
OK, I'm starting to get irritated. You're not listening to me. One last time. When you hold the starter switch it isn't working correctly. The starter sounds stop after two seconds no matter how long you hold the starter switch, which isn't correct.If the mags are off and you HOLD the starter switch you should HEAR the starter sounds for how ever long you hold the switch until either the battery dies or it starts. The proper way to start a DC3 is to hit the starter and count 12 blades before advancing mixture so oil can clear the cylinders before the start. Some do the mags and mixture after 12 blades but either method will work. Of course I've used the manual and I actually have access to a REAL DC3 and like all airplanes, or cars, or anything else you'll hear the starter as long as you have the switch pressed. Give me a PM with your email address and I'll send you a video of exactly what's happening.
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Post by VSL-Admin on Nov 15, 2021 0:54:35 GMT
OK, I'm starting to get irritated. You're not listening to me. One last time. When you hold the starter switch it isn't working correctly. The starter sounds stop after two seconds no matter how long you hold the starter switch, which isn't correct.If the mags are off and you HOLD the starter switch you should HEAR the starter sounds for how ever long you hold the switch until either the battery dies or it starts. The proper way to start a DC3 is to hit the starter and count 12 blades before advancing mixture so oil can clear the cylinders before the start. Some do the mags and mixture after 12 blades but either method will work. Of course I've used the manual and I actually have access to a REAL DC3 and like all airplanes, or cars, or anything else you'll hear the starter as long as you have the switch pressed. Give me a PM with your email address and I'll send you a video of exactly what's happening. Hello again. Obviously, the last reply that you've got was mixed with a different VSKYLABS aircraft (A22 instead of C47). Such mistake can (rarely) happen...but it did... In such a case, you can simply indicate that the answer that you got is referred to a different aircraft. However...I find your attitude to be rude and disrespectful, and when you are asking/replying for any kind of assistance in this forum, please do it kindly, or at least as equally politely and patiently as the person who is trying to assist you, even if the issue was caused by user related actions such as not selecting fuel tanks etc... or not explaining properly the exact matter (your initial call for assistance was "I can't get the engine started"...)... BTW The proper way to start a DC-3 is well known...I'm an ex-C-47 pilot in real-life...yet, I can't understand and accept your sarcastic reply...(you actually have access to real cars?...really?)... ...After solving your issue of not being able to start the engines (that was the initial inquiry...), you simply wanted to report that " the starter sound quits after several seconds, while the starter keeps on turning the engine..." Now this is an example for a nice and easy report, and with a much better attitude, isn't it? The answer is: ...Indeed, starter sound quits after several seconds. It is a known issue, listed as part of the ongoing development of the aircraft. Summary:
The VSKYLABS support forum is here for you and for all other enthusiastic users who want to ask (any) questions, share knowledge and need assistance with the projects. No need to be rude, although you will still be treated with respect and with useful assistance. |
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Post by leslie on Nov 15, 2021 1:40:21 GMT
No intention to be rude, merely to be heard, which I felt wasn't happening. It seems to me my initial query did state the starter sounds stopped after a few seconds. Had you mentioned the known issue at that time we would not be fussing now. As to my statement about access to DC3s or cars, this was meant to convey starter sounds continue on both when the starter is held engaged. I think I felt I was being talked down to - like I knew nothing at all or was simply stupid. So yes, I got irritated.
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Post by VSL-Admin on Nov 15, 2021 6:58:58 GMT
No intention to be rude, merely to be heard, which I felt wasn't happening. It seems to me my initial query did state the starter sounds stopped after a few seconds. Had you mentioned the known issue at that time we would not be fussing now. As to my statement about access to DC3s or cars, this was meant to convey starter sounds continue on both when the starter is held engaged. I think I felt I was being talked down to - like I knew nothing at all or was simply stupid. So yes, I got irritated. Yes but you have coupled the starter behavior with the fact that you cannot start the engines. Then you added that you cannot hold the starters engaged (still with the engine-starting issue in the background)...So the main focus of assisting you was in getting the engine started. You haven't been talked down to. You simply got a mismatched reply....(that could happen when two people are trying to work out a technical issue) and instead of trying to "assist the assistant", you jumped out with attitude. No one is being talked down to here. Interestingly and ironically, instead of posting your post in the dedicated C-47/DC-3 place in this support forum, you posted it in a general-discussion place called "Make Friends" ... |
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Post by leslie on Nov 15, 2021 13:45:48 GMT
Initially, it wouldn't let me post in any other section. Thanks for your help.
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Post by VSL-Admin on Nov 15, 2021 14:08:05 GMT
Initially, it wouldn't let me post in any other section. Thanks for your help. Hi, You're welcome, and it's of course fine posting anywhere in this forum. The only related thing to consider is that other users who are experiencing same issues or who can assist, will not go intuitively into this section, but to the specific aircraft section... You probably needed to register (free registration). |
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