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Post by print744 on May 17, 2017 12:18:44 GMT
Some observations and opinions from my first serious testflight, LAX-SAN at night and a little in the day (caveat: I see that you've modeled the panel layout from a real airplane, so feel free to disregard many of my suggestions)... -First off, there's A LOT to like about this plane. She handles very well, predictable and smooth. I love that she's not a FR hog. She looks beautiful, too. -Just saw that you'll enable the hide-yoke feature. Thank you. Perhaps the yoke could have a chronometer on it and clicking off the yoke moves the chrono to the "hole"? Maybe that's weird, just thinking in terms of panel space. It's kind of odd having the chrono way over on the far, far right, it makes timed approaches difficult. -Maybe now the seat position in 3D view can be allowed to go more forward as it won't be blocked by the yoke anymore. -Because it needs brighter night lighting. I have my computer brightness all the way up and gamma a 1.0 (granted, it's a late-2011 MacBook Pro) and can barely read the DG/RMI and have to zoom in to see it clearly, and even then the numbers are all but totally dark. Maybe all of the 6-pack (not just the T&B/slip-skid ind) can have internal lighting under "instruments" (ideally) or brighter under "switches"? Can't read the AP buttons at all. -It's kind of weird having an RMI in the DG where there should be an HSI and, if you choose to keep it, then maybe add VOR/ADF switches. -HDG bug and OBS on VOR gauges turn too slowly. A draggable/clickable switch would allow faster CDI tuning. -For some reason the VOR-2's OBS numbers are faint between 240º and 030º, regardless of the position where ambient light hits them (whether at 12 o'clock or 6 o'clock).Maybe the decal has been exposed to too much sunlight and has faded? -I agree that the STEC-55X would be preferable. The +/- is cumbersome. -A combined (both engines on one gauge) MP gauge should be complimented with a combined RPM gauge. Ideally, all engine gauges combined. Having one gauge combined while all others are dual/separate is a little odd. If you can find the panel space it would be nice. You don't really need dual primary instruments for the FO on this size of a plane, maybe that will free up some space. Personally, I'd prefer an HSI (VOR-1, of course) a combined MP where VOR-1 is, combined RPM where VOR-2 is, VOR-2 where MP is and free space for something else where the two RPM gauges are (perhaps a NAV-source select switch to use NAV-1 or 2 or GPS-1 or 2). -Perhaps a DME will fit between the G430 and the ADF/XPDR gauges? It would be nice to have DME. -Landing and Taxi lights are WAY off (like 30º left). I get that the landing light being canted a little allows better peripheral judgement of height but I can't see the pavement right in front at all. -No red beacon light, just strobes? I know FAR 91.205 says "red or white" but it's odd not having the middle one red and on a separate switch. -NAV lights, particularly the tail, are visible beyond their legal range (red/green 110º from 12 o-clock, white on tail 140º across). -You've already addressed that you'll be working on the drag issue. 3000'AGL at 25^2 gets only 115 KIAS. -A collection of liveries would be great. -Documents (POH, info, etc.) would be nice.
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Post by siggi on May 17, 2017 12:34:18 GMT
Is it possible to include 3d props (volumetric props) in all your products? I can do this manually but it would be nice to have this as default. Also please include blank livery for painting (also for EuroFox).
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Post by VSL-Admin on May 17, 2017 14:09:40 GMT
Hi all I've compressed my replies timatc (open doors):-Yes, the door will be animated and it will be available down the road (scheduled update). jaggo82 (engine cooling, graphics, cruise performance, whishlist):-Your inputs are very good. Most of them I'm aware of, others I've noted down for further investigation. I am widening the flight and operational envelopes of the aircraft and engines in a step by step methodology (version v001 was the 1st stable point), so as we proceed, it will get "tighter". cowl flaps issue to be investigated and fixed! -GNS530 bezel resolution - known, planned for replacement in one of the next upcoming updates (also for the GNS530 in the EuroFOX, Phoenix, Trikes, Autogyro, Contraventus, Microhopper). -Whishlist - I have plans to expand the functionality of the autopilot. separate DME receiver...I've noted it down into my list print744 (various subjects):
- hide-yoke - done in version 001.1 - chronometer closer to pilot-flying (left seat) - you've got a point. I'll think of something. It will happen soon! - move forward in the cockpit - I'm planning to expand the camera movement in the cockpit so you could also move backwards to the back seats. I will add a few inches to the forward axis - night lights (internal) - got your note. I will set it in a way that it will be more comfortable. Regarding the clarity of some of the instrument plates at night - it is one of the pre-planned (listed) fixes in my list. - HSI instead of the RMI/DG - the cockpit is currently modeled based on a certain real aircraft that doesn't feature an HSI in front. The existence of the GNS 530/430 makes the conventional HSI redundant in some ways. VOR/ADF switch - since it has dual needles (for both VOR/ADF), there are no VOR/ADF switches. But I could insert a NAV1/NAV2 switches instead...let me think about the whole idea of the HSI...see what will come in mind... - HDG bug moves too slow - this issue is under evaluation. I've had an experience with various interactive methods, and decided to keep the current method since it is the most precise. The altimeters knobs use a drag mechanism that I might use with the heading bug. It is still under evaluation. - faint numbers on OBS - listed issue - will be fixed. - combined MP gauge - this is how the P2006T with the analog cockpit is configured. I've read your suggestions, but I can say that I will try to keep the P2006T cockpit layout authentic as possible... - DME - it will fit in the registration number plate place (where it does in the real aircraft). I haven't decided yet... - landing/taxi lights are showing but not illuminating the runway - fixed in version v001.1 - red beacon light - the FAR 91.205 says ". ..An approved aviation red or aviation white anticollision light system on all U.S.-registered civil aircraft......". As I've mentioned before, I try to keep it authentic and not adding or altering switches (as far as I can). edit - but I may switch one to red - drag issue - fixed in version v001.1 (it was more complicated then only "drag", it was to do with the combination of propeller design, drag, and other variables). - collection of liveries - Yes! down the road and not too far, a collection of liveries will be available! - documents (POH, info etc..) - All is existing in the project's page. Including link to the POH and lots of info. You need to scroll down the page to see it. You must have missed it. Here is a link: www.vskylabs.com/2017/04/vskylabs-tecnam-p2006t-project.html siggi (volumetric props) - you've got a point. I'm familiar with that, I will have a look! Thank you guys for your inputs. I really appreciate it and consider each and every input, note, remark and suggestion
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Post by jhk on May 17, 2017 17:17:50 GMT
The "dirt" on the Garmins in XP11 is a bit overdone. Looks nicer in XP10 - just a personal view!
The DI/ADF (RMI) markings and numbers are not the best. The Tecnam was (and is) offered as one of the very few twins for the training market. In the USA, the ADF is now virtually abandoned. I do see the point in it being present in Europe (although goodness knows why!), and Africa, etc. However, a plane already equipped with thousands of dollars (or Euros!) of Garmin equipment would definitely have an HSI! Who would buy a twin trainer without one? Surely, a better fit would be to put an HSI in, and keep the VOR2 instrument. The VOR1 dial can then be replaced with a standard 3 inch or so ADF.
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Post by VSL-Admin on May 18, 2017 9:05:01 GMT
The "dirt" on the Garmins in XP11 is a bit overdone. Looks nicer in XP10 - just a personal view! The DI/ADF (RMI) markings and numbers are not the best. The Tecnam was (and is) offered as one of the very few twins for the training market. In the USA, the ADF is now virtually abandoned. I do see the point in it being present in Europe (although goodness knows why!), and Africa, etc. However, a plane already equipped with thousands of dollars (or Euros!) of Garmin equipment would definitely have an HSI! Who would buy a twin trainer without one? Surely, a better fit would be to put an HSI in, and keep the VOR2 instrument. The VOR1 dial can then be replaced with a standard 3 inch or so ADF. Hi! Glass appearance in the XP11 version will get stable soon (including the fat screens of the Garmins). Regarding the instrumentation, I'm aware of the ADF aspect. It is getting less and less used, or familiar. I want the aircraft to be an "old school" platform, side by side with the high-tech equipment. Adding an HSI or EHSI is an option I'm considering though.
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Post by tristan on May 18, 2017 15:51:35 GMT
Hi Team,
is there any (best for Photoshop) PaintKit for the Tecnam?
Would be great to paint that Birdy.... >;O)
Tristan
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Post by VSL-Admin on May 18, 2017 15:59:17 GMT
Hi Team, is there any (best for Photoshop) PaintKit for the Tecnam? Would be great to paint that Birdy.... >;O) Tristan Hi Tristan, You can say just "Hi". VSKYLABS is not a team effort. It is a one-man-show. A paint kit is planned to be added in one of the upcoming updates. Thanks
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Post by jhk on May 18, 2017 16:37:22 GMT
Regarding the instrumentation, I'm aware of the ADF aspect. It is getting less and less used, or familiar. I want the aircraft to be an "old school" platform, side by side with the high-tech equipment. Adding an HSI or EHSI is an option I'm considering though. I understand "old school" - but the inclusion of an ADF gauge (or even a nice RMI) would do that in the VOR1 now vacant hole! If you bought a reconditioned 530 today, it would still be around $8500! Add in the 430 - and what they cost new.... Who would fit (or leave) an old RMI under the attitude indicator? I admit I've been in singles, where they eventually fitted a 430 and it's associated VOR gauge, leaving the existing DI in place. However, a new twin trainer, which (presumably) the model is supposed to be (albeit one from the pre-glass era)....?? Love the plane.
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Post by tristan on May 18, 2017 16:51:07 GMT
Hello JetManHuss,
You see, i am absolutly brandnew here (was even here, without checking the Tecnam first after my purchase).
I hope its ok to say: fantastic work You are doing here!
And it is nice to hear (read) that a PaintKit is under development.....can´t wait to spray on "her"...heheh
Best wishes Tristan
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Post by VSL-Admin on May 18, 2017 16:52:18 GMT
Hi jhk, Thanks I've got your point. The current layout is based on a specific P2006T configuration, with some modifications I've made. Since the aircraft is going through my "massage" in the continuous development...when I'll get to the right timing, I will re-evaluate it. Thanks again! (v001.2 is cooking...)
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Post by VSL-Admin on May 18, 2017 16:53:22 GMT
Hello JetManHuss, You see, i am absolutly brandnew here (was even here, without checking the Tecnam first after my purchase). I hope its ok to say: fantastic work You are doing here! And it is nice to hear (read) that a PaintKit is under development.....can´t wait to spray on "her"...heheh Best wishes Tristan Thank's mate
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Post by jhk on May 18, 2017 20:58:42 GMT
Thanks again! (v001.2 is cooking...) Great. You'll be pleased to hear that my Tecnam has already had an outing in SoCal on PilotEdge
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Post by svero1848 on May 20, 2017 11:51:33 GMT
Hi, only some small issues I have noted: - The first avionics (AVIONIC1) switch is in position ON by default after loading the plane. Since according to the POH the avionics must be in position OFF while starting the engines it would be nice if this would be the default position. - Although the master battery switch is OFF the ADF module displays the frequencies if the AVIONIC1 switch is ON. - The annunciation panel does not show if one of the fuel pumps is ON. The lights are existing but are off. Also the annunciation light for the LH FUEL PUMP is red when it is off. When on (using the test button) it is green. - The correct ICAO aircraft type designator is P06T. You have noted in the aircraft definition the registration number (TH-VSL) as ICAO code. Since the just updated PilotEdge plugin uses this setting for recognizing the ICAO code of the plane it is important that this setting is correct. At least for all who want to fly within PE I'm looking forward for every update for this great twin Kind regards, Sven
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Post by VSL-Admin on May 20, 2017 12:06:26 GMT
Hi, only some small issues I have noted: - The first avionics (AVIONIC1) switch is in position ON by default after loading the plane. Since according to the POH the avionics must be in position OFF while starting the engines it would be nice if this would be the default position. - Although the master battery switch is OFF the ADF module displays the frequencies if the AVIONIC1 switch is ON. - The annunciation panel does not show if one of the fuel pumps is ON. The lights are existing but are off. Also the annunciation light for the LH FUEL PUMP is red when it is off. When on (using the test button) it is green. - The correct ICAO aircraft type designator is P06T. You have noted in the aircraft definition the registration number (TH-VSL) as ICAO code. Since the just updated PilotEdge plugin uses this setting for recognizing the ICAO code of the plane it is important that this setting is correct. At least for all who want to fly within PE I'm looking forward for every update for this great twin Kind regards, Sven Hi Sven Avionics issue - it is a temporary state. X-Plane has some limitations in its systems simulation that I am working on tie it down together in a good solution. It will be fixed in one of the upcoming projects. ADF vs Avionics - same answer as the one above. Fuel pumps (edit) got it! Will check it out and fix it to v002.0. Annunciator colors - already fixed in v002.0 which will be released during the week. ICAO - You are absolutely right. I will fix it and include it in v002.0 Thank you for the useful input mate !
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Post by VSL-Admin on May 20, 2017 12:12:29 GMT
I've edited my fuel pumps annunciator response in my answer above
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